Under influence of rain.

Tonight I saw the movie “Love Crime” and I liked it.

If you did not see the movie you can read about it HERE.

As I mentioned in several posts I always liked and admired smart strong women. If they were also beautiful it was fine but it was not really that important

On the way home heavy rain started and I came home in wet condition (I hope very much that you’ll forgive me this expression).

I took a hot shower, drank a hot tea and thought a bit about the movie.

Then I remembered the article by Hanna Rosin “Men are obsolete” that I already discussed in the post  “A look from a different angle (part 2).

The two women in the movie “Love Crime” are smart, strong and beautiful. They are top executives in a large company. Should we admire them? Is it a good prove that men are obsolete? Is it good for modern society that women who reach top positions behave the way these two women behave in the movie? Is it a victory of feminism?

I read many times in different blogs statement: “I am a feminist”.

Could anyone be so kind to explain to me what this statement means in America and other countries of the West today?

Please let me know.

Advertisements

10 thoughts on “Under influence of rain.

  1. On “feminism” from my (female) point of view: (just my take, didn’t see the movie you refer to here)

    I think, early on, feminism had a point — wanting to be accepted for who you were and what you could do, not gender roles that were expected from you. But through the years, I’ve personally, seen great changes in how females are treated in the workplace.

    I think the “feminists” now are barking up a tree that was felled years ago. The major battles have been fought. Now it’s minor scuffles that have more to do with temperament, personality and moodswings, not gender itself.

    I’m a female in a male-dominated profession — a farrier (I trim horses’ hooves, and I nail on horseshoes!) It’s a fantastic field for a female, although physically demanding.

    Interestingly, I experience reverse discrimination. Many women won’t hire me. They want a man. Fine with me, I don’t want to work for those catty chicks, anyway.

    (I’m sure there are men who don’t want to hire me, too, but I really don’t want to work for those kind of guys, so that’s not important at all to me. People hire me for what I know and how I can help their horses. I’m good at what I do. It has less to do with gender, more to do with knowledge and pricing and scheduling. That’s the main difference between me and the other guys. There’s plenty of work for everyone.)

    Years ago it was more difficult as a female to be accepted in male-dominant roles. I milked cows on dairy farms in the 70s and it was downright unpleasant at times, but in those instances, you’d just quit. Who wants to work for an ass? Then I became a private pilot. Interesting there. Heavy military influence. “Yes Sir!”

    Compared to my younger years, I see endless opportunities for women now. Cake! For those who still bitch about it, they just don’t know how it used to be.

    I think the end-result of “feminism” in America has been rudely behaving women who think that they can take on the role of being the “ass”. Like now women have the right to be dominant and pull the weight.

    (I can fall into that one, too — rude behavior! It’s something I learned from the guys . . . somewhat of a coping strategy . . . Blowing off steam! Every now and again I’ll have to stand up to a rude man and kindly remind him that I do the same kind of work that he does . . . treat him like a bad horse, snap a strong comment straight to his face. And shocking to me, he backs down. And leaves me alone. In fact, he might even be nice to me after that! Go figure!)

    My advice: You can’t please all the people all the time. There will always be jerks, male or female. But as I age (I just turned 60), traditional values ring more and more true. There is a reason for the way things are. We might fight and rebel — but does that really make us happy???

    The best thing I can do is work on myself — to figure out my own foibles and attempt to make myself into a better person. If we all do this, like you are doing here on this little blog, the world would indeed improve . . .

    I’d venture to say the ones accusing men as obsolete are working hard at battling their own hormonal moodswings. And hoping against hope that pointing a finger at men will make them feel higher on the emotional heap!

    Work on yourself. Stand up for what you believe in. Toughen up! (And in the case of some of us working gals, don’t forget when it’s time to Soften up!) :))

    p.s. look into the most recent work of John Gray, the author of Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. He’s now doing research on communication, hormones, gender, nutrition. Very enlightening.

    http://www.marsvenus.com/
    http://haleymc2400.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/men-are-from-mars-women-are-from-venus/

    • My friend, you greatly surprised me twice in this comment: 1) about your profession; 2) about your age.
      You did not surprise me at all with your comment. I expected that one of many smart strong women who
      follow this blog will answer my request to express their position on today’s feminism. You did it very well
      and I am grateful to you!

      I am honored that you believe that this blog does something useful.

      With many years of personal life experience and studying history it became clear to me that many public
      movements that were initially progressive and necessary for the society gradually deteriorated and became
      harmful for the society. It happened often because goals were reached or proper directions were lost or
      because people who were leaders of a movement started to think mostly about their personal interests.

      In my opinion, it is happening now in many countries with feminism, with unionism, often with human rights
      movements.

      If we want to live better and happier we have to understand the reality of modern movements, we must see
      that many changes are very bad changes for humanity. We should not blindly support all changes and hope
      for miracles.

      Thank you again for your comment!

      • Yes! We must remember individual responsibility. There are few rubber stamps that fit all sizes. Society is made of individuals. Unique, yet similar in many ways.

        And we do change throughout our lives! And THANK GOD we do, and we need friends of all ages in our quivers. It’s the individuals we come across in life who inspire us, who point us to the better beings we are capable of.

        Check out my daughter’s blog:

        http://littleyellowdoor.wordpress.com/

        This girl will completely inspire you!!! There is hope for the “next” generation :))

  2. Dear dawn and JF,

    I wish to add my $5.00 worth which is not that much different from Dawn’s persepctives I think.

    JF – I appreciate your comments on Hanna Rosin’s piece and I read your link to the review of the movie “Love Crime”. I differ with your conclusion regarding governmental policies. I also have some other thoughts about feminism – both good and bad.

    First, the economy – was ruined by the recklessness of the banking industry and because our government failed in its responsibility to regulate the stupidity and gross malfeasance of our financial corporations (and we thought we had learned from our past mistakes during the Great Depression. Ha.”

    As a result of this, yes, one out of 5 men were out of work.

    I do not believe that men are failing at work as much as other trends are apparent. We are recognizing that women can do as good a job this man. The idea that women would have babies and ultimately leave the workforce so that the money and time that a business invested in that female employee would only go to “waste” is no longer considered a valid argument in not hiring women. The truth is that corporate America would prefer to invest less money in their employees and have a little higher turnover to keep their costs lower, and hire those people that are willing to multitask in a greater fashion than employees had before.

    So, although the recognition, as such, that women can do the work of men, I believe, underlying this that they are moreso viewed as cheaper labor. Which is unfortunate, and undermines the vision that I think is worthwhile upholding that women are equal to men.

    The same is true in the comments about us moving from manufacturing to service industries. Most men would prefer not to work in a telephone boiler room selling products or acting as an aide to the elderly or infirm. The latter of which is a noble profession – and it is an area that men can move in to. But I could probably write several paragraphs regarding the psychology of this move, the monetary implications, and the changes needed in society about men’s vision of what they are about.

    I believe, essentially, men and women can perform the same jobs, and should not be hindered in pursuing, should they choose, and should they be capable of, working the same jobs.

    I do not believe that this makes men obsolete. It may make some traditional roles or views of men, by both men and women, cast into some levels of anxiety and change. We are no longer hunters and gatherers and the roles that we played in that age are not relevant now. We need to adapt who we are in relation to our present level of civilization.

    Mankind, men and women, are not automatons to be cast into roles by society. We need to give much thought and input, sensitivity, to treating people with dignity and respect. I believe it is the role of our educators, and all role models, including our government, to encourage critical thinking, respect for others, and a creative model of living.

    Unfortunately, right now the role of profits and “dumbing down” seems to predominate our society’s visions.

    Lastly, I think men are very insecure about any change in what they perceive as their power base. I have believed for some time that women should be in more power positions, and that maybe, then, we would have a better balance in the world – although I’m sorry to report, and I am open to hearing examples of how I am wrong – that many of the women in power are as abusive now as men. So, the idea that women cannot be as tough as men has already been blown out of the waters as far as I am concerned. I deeply regret that women have not been changing the balance of political import to a more balanced and sensitive point of view. I miss the Bella Abzugs, the Golda Meirs, and I especially applaud Elizabeth Warren’s perspectives that she brings to politics.

    Randy

    • Dear Randy, I value your thoughts very much and I’ll respond to them in future posts.
      Right now I want to stress that men and women must not be opposites and fight for money
      and power. A good society must have good families where men and women respect and love
      each other and are partners.

  3. aside from all the other self-evident stuff (probably) about being a feminist…equal rights, equal pay etc. it’s cultivating a women-centric view/approach to the world and society…within yourself/within others…

    • In the Soviet Union women got same salaries as men in the same positions.
      However, buying power of everybody (except top people in the party and unions) was
      very low.
      Last 40 years in the USA feminists fighting for power more than for equal pay or for
      equal rights. The movement became politically oriented, a pillar of the democratic
      party. It denies equal rights to women who don’t support the democratic party.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s